tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post499291142492278460..comments2024-03-18T08:42:15.276+01:00Comments on Joost's Dev Blog: Proun sales data revealed: Proun is a big success! Pay What You Want is not!Joost van Dongenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00569566310604620045noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-79594611315781071032013-05-20T00:45:32.490+02:002013-05-20T00:45:32.490+02:00wow there are lot of nasty comments here. what dri...wow there are lot of nasty comments here. what drives people to be so rude unprovoked? I pity their existence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-61313155746978750112012-10-03T08:58:11.955+02:002012-10-03T08:58:11.955+02:00Thanks, glad you like it! :DThanks, glad you like it! :DJoost van Dongenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00569566310604620045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-31346375723030012932012-10-03T02:36:39.727+02:002012-10-03T02:36:39.727+02:00Just wanted to say that Proun is by far one of the...Just wanted to say that Proun is by far one of the most phenomenal games I have played in some time. I love the fast paced nature of it, I love the simplicity, I love the sense of the speed... I love everything about it barring it's modest length.<br /><br />Thank you.Jonas Wechslerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07311438334744578046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-29296560966539101362012-04-24T19:43:46.484+02:002012-04-24T19:43:46.484+02:00Well......
BAD, BAD experiment. PWYW does not mean...Well......<br />BAD, BAD experiment. PWYW does not mean you should put a free version! Really, that's just self explanatory!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-66723246104094555582012-02-12T11:28:02.204+01:002012-02-12T11:28:02.204+01:00Good point, will post about that soon! I have to g...Good point, will post about that soon! I have to gather data for that first, though, so takes some time to write...Joost van Dongenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00569566310604620045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-89185089112985990272012-02-12T05:12:16.075+01:002012-02-12T05:12:16.075+01:00Any update on what happened to sales after removin...Any update on what happened to sales after removing the free version?Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10193824574210955523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-24125846778851001362012-01-27T21:12:43.132+01:002012-01-27T21:12:43.132+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ecommercehttp://ecommercepros.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-15153549535130397872011-12-29T05:56:01.553+01:002011-12-29T05:56:01.553+01:00Interesting. I can't wait to see the results o...Interesting. I can't wait to see the results of this experiment. My next game might be Pay What You Want when it's finished, if I can figure out a way around the pesky US business laws. What, they never though a minor would be developing video games?!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17535418391244634322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-18663580717732500272011-11-09T04:27:49.765+01:002011-11-09T04:27:49.765+01:00Didn't heard of your game before. Seems fun, t...Didn't heard of your game before. Seems fun, thought. Make a linux and macosx version, maybe a demo too,and talk to humblebundle team.<br />And why not add tools for modders, make your own tracks ?<br />Anyways, thank you for those information and good luck to you !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-84436025856649423252011-11-06T11:28:14.724+01:002011-11-06T11:28:14.724+01:00Thanks for pointing that out, I had totally forgot...Thanks for pointing that out, I had totally forgot about that one! Fixed it now! :)Joost van Dongenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00569566310604620045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-5713818634711554842011-11-06T11:21:42.158+01:002011-11-06T11:21:42.158+01:00Proun is still available for free, via the backup ...Proun is still available for free, via the backup site<br /><br />http://www2.hku.nl/~joost1/Proun/Buy.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-53884646855709611712011-10-10T20:19:37.442+02:002011-10-10T20:19:37.442+02:00I totally agree that a simpler shop would have bee...I totally agree that a simpler shop would have been better, but Fastspring didn't want to remove anything and I don't know enough about internet security to handle the credit card transactions and such myself.<br /><br />The weird thing is that Fastspring wants your address information even if you use Paypal. That is totally unnecessary.Joost van Dongenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00569566310604620045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-378738916672638352011-10-08T17:32:14.591+02:002011-10-08T17:32:14.591+02:00@Denilson: Payment services like paypal, steam and...@Denilson: Payment services like paypal, steam and fast spring all ask you for personal information due to legal reasons. You don't have to provide an adress etc. when you pay with paypal or steam because you already did when you registered the account, even if you may not remember it.<br /><br />However I do understand that maybe people don't trust fast spring because it's not so well known, even being an absolutely reliable company, so it's always a good idea to provide another payment method like your paypal account or steam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-61083395096994180062011-10-08T09:31:47.761+02:002011-10-08T09:31:47.761+02:00Oh, just to make clear: I'm not calling you a ...Oh, just to make clear: I'm not calling you a scammer, nor your shop. But I'm extra cautious about these sensitive information, specially when money is involved. And I believe many people also behave like that.<br /><br />Not just it, but when you think about "impulse buy", if the process is too long or requires too much info, then that impulse fades away and a sale is lost.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04738435248030248727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-25866424134122830642011-10-08T09:26:55.191+02:002011-10-08T09:26:55.191+02:00Okay, I believe the sales could increase if it was...Okay, I believe the sales could increase if it was even easier to buy. Why does the shop ask me for a mailing address, as it's just a digitally delivered game?<br /><br />Let's see... Humble Bundle doesn't require an address, and makes it extremely easy to buy/donate bundles. I've just checked, and GOG.com doesn't require an address either.<br /><br />Then, why would I trust that FastSpring company and give them my address? Maybe that company is trustworthy, but I've never heard of it before, and people on Internet should be always cautious about scams.<br /><br />Steam requires a physical address (due to legal reasons, I believe), but it already has a good reputation, and people give the address anyway (which is saved for future purchases).<br /><br />I have another point: why I can't see the payment options before filing my personal information? The page seems to really want my information, so it almost feels like a scam (even though I kinda believe when you say it is not, but unfortunately that's just your word anyway).<br /><br />So, in conclusion, even though that shop might be "okay", it's not the best, and I believe that hurts sales a bit.<br /><br /><br />P.S.: And then I think I will need to manually download and install and keep the game updated... And I remember why I like the Steam service: because it handles all of that boring work for me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04738435248030248727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-21468508998729160392011-10-07T12:14:52.282+02:002011-10-07T12:14:52.282+02:00I also got it when it was free and I think the fac...I also got it when it was free and I think the fact it's short is actually a good thing. If it had 20 or 30 tracks like the 5 included, It would soon get very boring. <br /><br />In fact, I think the game biggest defect is lack of variety. The tracks look too similiar and the gameplay is fun for the first minutes, but soon becomes repetitive. <br /><br />What I liked most are the nice use of shaders you made, but I think you could have added some variety on graphics instead of sticking with a bunch of primitive shapes with baked AO,<br />more or less as the user tracks did.<br /><br />I don't really know anything about marketing but for a small game like proun, 20.000 dollars look like an enourmous amount of money to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-16584520345557470682011-10-07T10:57:19.171+02:002011-10-07T10:57:19.171+02:00I paid 0$. Played it for 5 minutes and deleted it...I paid 0$. Played it for 5 minutes and deleted it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-33662024128664907952011-10-07T09:20:22.369+02:002011-10-07T09:20:22.369+02:00Note that "pirates" in this case are onl...Note that "pirates" in this case are only those who played the paid bonus track without paying! Most of the 250.000 people who played without paying are not pirates, since the game was available for free. :)<br /><br />"Good game, although I was done with playing after trying each map a few times; maybe 3 playing hours total."<br />That's actually a very good duration from my point of view: Proun wasn't intended to be a big game. A couple of hours of something good was the goal. :)Joost van Dongenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00569566310604620045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-31215551888131031932011-10-06T22:31:04.616+02:002011-10-06T22:31:04.616+02:00I wonder how many of the pirates or none-payers ar...I wonder how many of the pirates or none-payers are just kids who don't have CCs and can't get their folks to pay for every game they want. For them, it's just a free game, and they have no real understanding of what income means to a small developer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-27156472898462815322011-10-06T18:23:47.011+02:002011-10-06T18:23:47.011+02:00I'm proud to be one of the 1.76% who actually ...I'm proud to be one of the 1.76% who actually paid, although I only paid $2.50. :) I was inspired by the press you got in PC Gamer during development, and the advance trailer. Good game, although I was done with playing after trying each map a few times; maybe 3 playing hours total. Good luck on future projects, I will be looking out for your next game! -GAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-10744097971707039632011-10-06T16:43:33.004+02:002011-10-06T16:43:33.004+02:00I think $1 is too low for this game. $4.99 or $5.9...I think $1 is too low for this game. $4.99 or $5.99 even!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-49513285790209050792011-10-06T14:21:25.375+02:002011-10-06T14:21:25.375+02:00Howzit Joost
excellent past and I look forward to...Howzit Joost<br /><br />excellent past and I look forward to seeing what comes of the next part of the experiment!<br /><br />cheers<br /><br />PeterPeter van der Watthttp://www.blazinggriffin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-17510051363692733842011-10-06T04:45:58.113+02:002011-10-06T04:45:58.113+02:00Today's coverage of the blog is the only time ...Today's coverage of the blog is the only time I've heard about Proun. Like, ever. It's not PWYW that's failing you, it's your lack of marketing!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09603102060375733936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-5304649656000602272011-10-06T02:44:01.324+02:002011-10-06T02:44:01.324+02:00I bought your game for $1. I heard about this blo...I bought your game for $1. I heard about this blog post and game from PCGamer.com.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064325214589649535.post-91816392149489335512011-10-06T02:18:41.324+02:002011-10-06T02:18:41.324+02:00>But if five times as few people would have pla...>But if five times as few people would have played it<br />And that's where I disagree with your assumptions. It's not a simple division. Popularity growth is exponential.<br /><br />Let's say person X downloads the game and likes it. He tells 10 friends, of which 5 download the game and play it. Then those 5 players tell their friends, who in turn tell their friends, and so on.<br /><br />Now let's say the game isn't free. Person X buys the game and likes it. He tells X friends, of which a couple show some interest but none of them want to directly buy the game. One person can at least be assed to pirate the game, but the others don't play. Now you have only that one new player spreading the word. Maybe he'll manage to convince two people instead of one, but even then, the growth of the fanbase is very slow.<br /><br />A game being easy to obtain is of extreme importance to popularity spread. I won't randomly recommend a high-budget $60 game to someone just because I thought it was just 'fun', I'm more likely (but still unlikely) to randomly recommend normal indie games I thought were just 'fun', I am somewhat likely to recommend a game that's downloadable for free on the maker's website that I thought was just 'fun', and if the game can be directly played from the website without any questions asked just makes me immediately link to the game in IRC channels and conversations if I think it's just 'fun'. I love the new Rhythm Tengoku game (only released in Japan so far), but you don't see me yelling around that people should buy it when it's released here. I have talked about how fun Terraria is with people on IRC. I actively tried to get people to play free MMO Haven & Hearth. I simply link Every Day the Same Dream whenever it's slightly relevant in a discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com